Business Application and Business Owner
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4 hours ago
We have an issue and I'm curious is anybody else has this issue or concern with their business application records. We could have a single business owner, but many times there might be a group associated with that business owner and as we have had many changes at those levels, it would be prudent for us to keep the group that actually owns that business application too. I do agree, when someone leaves, there should be a process to make sure ALL the roles that person has should get updated, but we just don't have that process developed or executed, so till that happens, does anybody have a good solution and we would rather stay OOTB (out of the box).
Note: I did consider business unit and department, but we do not currently have departments linked to anything official, so that is not usable and the BU is too broad for that data.
We also did consider extending the table with the field, but that does incur tech debt for future updates to that table/form. Although, even though they had a couple small changes, not much has happen to that table.
Last piece that we had come up on this issue, we sometimes actually have two different business owners, two unique people, sometimes from different groups. It's possible as a company we are doing something incorrect, but in the health industry, this has come up with some of our services, so it is something I have to consider. Someone made a suggestion to just create an owners group for both of them and possibly their groups associated to both of them in that central group.
Any ideas are greatly appreciated, please don't judge us with the lack of processes to maintain those people, that is something we will have to work on, but is a longer goal to achieve.
Thank you in advance!
Alex Y.
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4 hours ago
Hi @Alex111
Take some consideration about your situation. This might help you
- Business Unit: Too broad.
- Department: Not officially linked, so not usable.
- Extending the table: Possible, but adds tech debt (though historically, the table hasn’t changed much).
- Multiple owners: Sometimes two different people (possibly from different groups) need to be reflected.
- Suggestion heard: Create an Owners Group to consolidate multiple people and their teams.
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4 hours ago
Actually after some more digging I might have found a solution that keeps it OOTB plus provides us a method to track the "group" that owns the business app, including the specific person.
All cmdb tables are based off the cmdb_ci table and that table has 4 group fields, approval, change, managed by and support GROUP fields. I figure the "Managed By Group" field could work for us. Keeps us OOTB and it's a group field that is not used normally in the business application table (or surrounding processes).
Any one have a counter to that idea/solution? Again, would love to here other suggestions. Thanks!
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4 hours ago
you only get one “assigned to” user on a business app ootb. if you want multiple owners without extending the table, just use the support group / managed by group field — drop all the real owners into that group and link it to the app. if you’ve got APM, you can also add people as stakeholders with roles like business owner / it owner. keeps it ootb and easy to maintain.
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an hour ago
Hi @Alex111
Answering your second question first, you have both IT Application Owner and Business Owner fields. Typically when multiple stakeholders are identified, they're usually performing different roles - so apply a RACI matrix to the roles to see how they differ. Often the Business Owner is the Accountable and the ITAO is the Responsible. It's a poor practice to have two or more people who are genuinely Accountable, precisely because of the lack of accountability to a single individual, so if this is the case then your organisation may need to have a rethink! You could fudge the ownership but I have seen some customers add one or two additional ownership references which are credible.
For groups, the Managed by and Support group fields are available OOTB on the Business Application form. Again, consider the purpose of the group - Managed by is more about ownership, whereas Support would be more applicable to 3rd support (bearing in mind Business Applications are not an operational CI).
If you want to associate multiple teams then add the Teams related list, where you can select any group and associate with a Group type.
I hope this helps!
Mat